Senior retired US government official speaks out on Gaza

Chas W Freeman. Image: Wikipediia

JVL Introduction

A fascinating interview with a retired senior US government official, Chas Freeman, former Assistant Secretary of Defense and former Ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

Obama’s desire to appoint him as chair of the National Intelligence Council was opposed successfully by the Israel lobby, led by Aipac.

Among the many points he makes are these (H/t Arnaud Bertrand and for the transcript below)

  • Israel’s response on October 7 was a “disgrace in military terms” taking a terrible toll on Israelis;
  • Hamas was successful in putting the Palestinian self-determination issue back on the global agenda and in bolstering support among Palestinians for its willingness to resist;
  • Israel will not recover its image as a historical refuge for victims of oppression but will be remembered as the home of perpetrators of genocide.

RK



Text of the Twitter/X post above

This is undoubtedly one of the most extraordinary interviews of a former senior US government official on Gaza.

This is Chas Freeman, former Assistant Secretary of Defense and former US Ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

Key points in the video:

– He agrees that many of the victims of Oct 7th were killed by the Israeli army in the form of “undisciplined fire by helicopters with hellfire missiles or by tanks with incendiary rounds directed at buildings”. In the case of the victims of the music festival he even says they “were largely killed, it appears, by hellfire missiles and by other undisciplined fire by Israeli forces”. To him this “disgrace in military terms” stems from a “lack of discipline and training necessary to respond” but also from the IDF’s “Hannibal directive”, which “says that rather than get into bargaining over hostage exchange you should just kill the Israeli hostages along with their captors.”

– He says that with Oct 7th “Hamas had 2 objectives”: 1) “Put the Palestinian self-determination issue back on the global agenda”, something he says they’ve “succeeded” in doing since they’re is “widespread recognition outside Israel that only self-determination for Palestine in the form of a 2-state solution can provide security to Israel”. He says that even in “the US, which has a larger Jewish population than Israel, many Jews have come to realize that this is the case. Younger Jews in particular in the U.S. are very disillusioned with Zionism and don’t want to suffer contagion from it in the form of antisemitism, which is actually growing now as a result of Israeli actions”. 2) “Give Hamas enormous popularity among Palestinians because they are seen as having stood up, as having been willing to accept death rather than captivity”. He refers to Norman Finkelstein’s “analogy of slave revolts in the U.S.” and particularly the “1831 revolt by Nat Turner, a well-educated very intelligent enslaved African who led a slave revolt in Southern Virginia which had as its objective the murder of every white person they encountered.” He says it “raises a moral question: ‘Is the violence of the slave-owner morally the same as the violence of the slave trying to end that violence?’. The same moral question arises with Israeli oppression of Palestinians versus Palestinian resistance to oppression.”

– All in all he concludes that much like the violence against African-Americans that followed slave revolts in the 19th century, the Israeli vengeance against Palestinians “won’t be remembered fondly by anyone in the future”. In fact he goes as far as saying that “when people think of Israel in the past they thought of it as a refuge for the victims of the Holocaust… now they will think of it as the home of perpetrators of genocide. When they think of Israel, they will think of burned buildings and dead babies. This is an image problem of a fundamental nature and from the point of view of Israel it strips Israel of its protection by charges of antisemitism against anyone who is critical of Israel because to be critical of people who are carrying out genocide cannot be antisemitism, it cannot be considered immoral. Antisemitism is a despicable attitude but to oppose genocide by Israel is not.”

 

 

Comments (4)

  • Allan Howard says:

    It’s particularly interesting what Mr Freeman says in relation to the music festival – ie that they “were largely killed, it appears, by hellfire missiles and by other undisciplined fire by Israeli forces” etc.

    At the end of a Guardian article on October 9th it said the following;

    Many family members of those attending the party headed to a missing persons centre at a police station near Ben Gurion airport on Sunday. Relatives were told to bring items, such as toothbrushes, that could contain DNA.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/09/how-the-hamas-attack-on-the-supernova-festival-in-israel-unfolded

    The implication of course is that many of those killed in and around the vicinity of the music festival were burnt and charred beyond recognition, including Hamas fighters. But whereas we know that around 200 Hamas, all told, were burnt beyond recognition, which led to the official number of Israelis killed on October 7th being reduced from 1,400 to 1,200 about five weeks later, it seems highly unlikely that we’ll ever learn how many Israelis were burnt beyond recognition and, as such, had to be identified by their DNA. Not from BN and Co, that’s for sure.

    I don’t know if there are any figures for how many people at the music festival were taken as hostages (I’ve not come across such), but the point is that just about all the missing family members of those who went to the police station on the Sunday had either been taken hostage, or were burnt beyond recognition. And it would be VERY interesting to learn what sort of numbers of people turned up on the Sunday at the police station.

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  • Doug says:

    Genius for Israel and the West would be to stop the slaughter before the ICJ makes its order in the next two weeks
    Then the United Nations must impose the two state solution with security guarantees for both sides
    The incentive for the far right in Israel could be some kind of immunity for the perpetrators of the Genocide, the other side of that coin will be the eviction of many thousands of illegal settlers

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  • Linda says:

    In support of Chas Freeman’s analysis:-

    1. An article in the “Daily Sabah” highlights possible consequences for Biden and America from the ICJ case, as follows:-

    “John J. Mearsheimer, a political science professor at the University of Chicago, published a joinder to the document South Africa filed with the ICJ. Mearsheimer writes that THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS COMPLICIT IN ISRAEL’S GENOCIDE, WHICH IS ALSO A PUNISHABLE ACT ACCORDING TO THE GENOCIDE CONVENTION. He writes, “Biden’s name – and America’s name – will be forever associated with what is likely to become one of the textbook cases of attempted genocide”.”

    2. The “Guardian” reports today that 2022 and 2023 Democrat interns have signed a letter to Biden roundly condemning Biden’s de facto support for genocide, ethnic cleansing and war crimes in Gaza and pointing out its impacts on staffers’ willingness to work for the party and on the Democrat vote.

    If the ICJ rules in favour of the South Africa case, then I think the multitude of pressures on Biden will force a change in policy that’ll be catastrophic for Netanyahu and IDF and disorienting for the Israeli public.

    The ICJ may have limited powers to enforce its judgements but it has moral authority and global influence. World opinion largely believes Israel is guilty of genocide. Global humanity will heartily approve (and try to implement) an ICJ judgement which reaches the same verdict.

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  • Roshan Pedder says:

    An establishment man obviously not intimidated to call out establishment lies. He was wonderful also in destroying the main stream simplistic acceptance of the narrative on Ukraine – i.e. Russia, all bad; Putin a monster; Zelinsky a secular saint and the invasion totally unprovoked. He forensically demolished that narrative while at the same time revealing the Western and Nato provocation of the conflict.

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